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Srinagar, June 03, KONS: Leader of the opposition in the assembly and the PDP president, Mahbooba Mufti, today rejected the government’s inquiry commission into the Shopian outrage, and called upon the prime minister, Dr. Manmohan Singh, to review the performance of the state’s ruling coalition personally as according to her, it had failed to extent of not registering an FIR of rape and murder in the case.
She said that her party was seeking expert legal counsel to get a case registered with respect to the tragedy.
Mahbooba, who visited the victims’ family in Shopian to pay her condolences, later told a press conference at her residence that the account given by the kin was too harrowing and horrendous for her to narrate as a mother.
She said that the case was not just of a double homicide but a triple murder because one of the victims had been pregnant.
“What greater proof can there be of the failure of the coalition government that no FIR with respect to gang rape and murder has been registered in the police station till now, and the matter is being treated as disappearance and accidental death,” she said.
Mahbooba accused the NC of having planted stone-pelters at various places to attack her motorcade during her Shopian trip, but said that the purpose of her visit had been fulfilled as she had met the victims’ family and led a procession against the outrage.
Rejecting the government’s inquiry commission into the incident, Mahbooba asked what the panel would investigate when the chief minister himself had denied that the victims had been raped and murdered.
“Incidents like Shopian make it amply clear that the PDP’s stand is justified as it has already demanded a complete troop withdrawal from the state and repeal of AFSPA for a resolution of the Kashmir issue,” she said.
She said that she had had a heated argument with the superintendent of police for Shopian on registering a case of rape and murder.
She said that the police officer had been rude to her her and pushed her out of the police station.
Mahbooba said that she would seek expert legal opinion in order to get a proper case registered.  
Earlier, on her visit to Shopian, Mahbooba had been assailed by angry residents chanting pro-freedom slogans and demanding her immediate resignation.
Mahbooba, accompanied by party leaders Sartaj Madani, Syed Basharat Bukhari and scores of activists was returning from her visit to the family of the victims of last week’s tragedy when her motorcade was held up by the crowds.
After meeting the victims’ kin, Mahbooba disclosed that only a case of disappearance and accidental death had been filed by the police and there was no FIR for rape and murder.
This enraged the residents who set off in a procession to the police station where Mahbooba had hot words with the officers.
As there had been incidents of violence during her visit, the police station too came under stone pelting, but the PDP leader was later conducted out of the town under tight security.   


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asibhat  - Jai ! Ho!   |59.94.193.xxx |2009-06-04 20:35:29
I wonder what type of government is ruling in Kashmir. Is it so called democratic or autocratic, hierarchic, militarist or
automatic? I think it is automatic, for example if Indian government wants democracy in Kashmir, they play elections, if they want
to run it in autocratic way they place governor, for hierarchic they bring Abdullah’s & Co and to crush the peaceful protests
they bring military. I feel embarrassment and shame afar on behalf of mahbooba, when alongwith 21 sitting mla\'s she had to
face one side the angry masses who raised voice for her resignation and on the other side by a low profile policewali she was
dragged out from the police station and her MLA\'s scolded and beatun to pulp. HOW THE HELL SHE CAN ATTAIN SELF-RULE WHEN SHE
WAS OUTRIGHTLY REJECTED FOR LODGING A SIMPLE FIR AGAINST THE VICTIM. What is the option left for Mahbooba, she had started begging
Manmohan Singh now to intervene. Jai! Ho! My countrymen listen carefully “GULAMI SAY BATAR MAUT HAIN”.
Amit  - Self-Rule   |59.94.178.xxx |2009-06-05 15:35:27
Kashmir is like a war zone, I will not go into details of who actually is responsible for this, but democracy cannot survive in
totality in the environment that persists in Kashmir. Also why go to Police Stations run by government if you want them to vacate
Kashmir in the first place? Indian Government has learnt a secret from last year\'s uprising. Secret is: You dispise us, we
will make you dispise us more till you die, same tactics were used against Kahlistan supporters in Punjab with much more vigour.
asifbhat  - Congrulations Democracy !!!!   |59.94.185.xxx |2009-06-05 18:26:21
Well Mr. Amit, congratulations you have accepted Kashmir is a war zone, congratulations there is no democracy in Kashmir,
congratulations you had accepted Kashmir has been occupied by foreign forces. Congratulations you have recognized that there was
uprising in Kashmir who are fighting to end the Occupational rule. You dare us, we challenge you till we drain your last breath.
We have already proved to the outsiders that your tactics against so-called martial race of Khalistan has failed in the land of
paradise. British the largest empire ever, who ruled the entire world could not suppress Indians for their freedom. These are same
Indian who were ruthlessly ruled by outsiders for 600 years and then by British 200 years. Now same India is enjoying its fruits
of freedom as old as mere 60 years. When India can end rule of 800 years of foreign occupation why not Kashmiris Amit.
Binayak Mohanty  - We will never leave u   |59.94.210.xxx |2009-06-06 11:31:17
The issue is that most Kashmir people need a reason to come out to streets and they blame everything untoward on India.
Now this
is a fact that we Indians will never leave Kashmir...and at any cost.Kashmir is for India only.We r fighting for last 60 years to
retain it and we will fight for another 60000 years.
binayak9@yahoo.com
J K Sha  - Live as indians   |59.94.181.xxx |2009-06-06 20:53:45
This has been unfortunate that Kashmir does not have a proper leadership and every so called leader here fools people by illusions
of independence.
Your leader have money to go European country for study and treatment but have no money for hungry
Kashmiris.
Kashmiris have to decide whether they want bookha indepenant Kashmir or join with India and live a prosperous
life.
For us Indians kashmir and kashmiris are like family members but same way kashmiri should say it loudly that we are Indians
then all problem of kashmir will get solved.
Misbah  - Pity on u!   |59.94.179.xxx |2009-06-07 15:34:12
Binayak and J K Sha, I feel really pity for you guys and don\'t consider it your mistake since u seem to b unaware of the
ground realities in the occupied territory. Thanks to the bigoted, biased and shameless Indian media which always carry out
negative propaganda at the behest of the demagogues at the centre who are surrounded by hawkish policy makers. International
community always mentions Kashmir as a \"disputed territory\", if you ever get to read anything else than the
yellow journalism of so called national media which carry the pro Hindutva agenda, thanks to lots of money being pumped in by the
communal forces into the organisation for the purpose. Media has always been used as a war weapon by India to suppress and malign
the legitimate movement for right of self determination. I would advise you to go through history before making such nonsensical
and bigoted comments.
Regarding poverty, as per your own government, kashmiri people are far better off than any other in Indian
states. Actually we have to bear the burden of the migrant population from Jammu to Kanyakumari and Gujarat to West Bengal who
throng the streets of Kashmir.
I don\'t understand that why the Govt in New Delhi is not willing to cooperate with the
international community and rather spends billions of rupees on security in the region that could be used instead for
developmental purposes and alleviate poverty in the poor country.
Feroz Ahmad  - Wrong   |59.94.179.xxx |2009-06-07 15:44:49
For J K Sha...No one lives on streets in Kashmir like you witness in your country. India is still a third world country and needs
to come out of that stigma. Don\'t forget those hungry and poor people who live on the footpaths of Mumbai, Delhi, Pune etc.
You wont see hungry and poor people in Kashmir...dude...Kashmir was never part of India and by force India hasnt succeeded for 60
years of its brutal occupation of this land to make Kashmiris Indians. Think instead of the teeming millions living in slums of
Mumbai, Delhi and beyond and stop wasting precious resources on Kashmir.
SAGAR  - Thanks for your suggessions   |218.248.66.xxx |2009-06-16 12:39:59
Dear J K Sha Good suggestion but a bit late had you given the same during India's freedom struggle many lives could have been
saved from the English guns and tragedies like Jal yan wala Bagh would have not happened .It is ok now Kashmiries should
surrender before the power of india and allow the power full hands to do what they have been doing for the last sixty years,
continue to see the molestation of their mothers and daughters and continue to mourn Konan Poshipora, Saidpora, Tral,
Bijbihara........................
Kashif  - RE Live as Indians   |129.43.49.xxx |2009-06-19 22:38:38
To be with india would prove disastrous for Kashmiris. With growing but hungry population of India, with too much strain on
resources particularly water. India has already started to exploit our natural resource and at the pretext of cultural,
Kashmiryat and yatra begin to settle extra junk in Kashmir. At that time hypocritical ala munafiq rural Kashmiris, Gujjars, shias,
hanjis who vote to power the traitors of this nation, those grees-gujjar-shias, an evil axis who in police and adminstration kill
fellow Kahsmiris will be the worst sufferers of the disastor!
Amit  - Poor India   |122.160.71.xxx |2009-06-20 15:09:01
Your logic is laughable, India is poor but Kashmir is not a land of gold mines at the same time. Indian poors do get a fair share
in development of India, a country which is projected to surpass USA by 2035. Today India is second largest investor in UK after
USA and the fourth largest lender to USA. If Kashmir was a little accomodative, guess what changes could Indian Inc. bring into
Kashmir. You can label a particular section of population traitors just because they don't follow your wishes, if thats your
mentality, you must not feel bad when an Indian smears you with the same shade, in a diffrent way.
Iqbal  - comments within the Kashmiri circle   |59.94.179.xxx |2009-06-07 15:38:39
Dear Muslim Kashmiri brothers, It is useless to argue and respond to VHP, Shiv Sena and BJP inspired commentators.I too wasted a
lot of time in making them understand. But at the end they harp on the same rotten philosophy of ATOOT ANG which no one buys in
Kashmir. It is rather more fruitful for us and to our cause that we explore possibilities as to how we can contribute to this holy
resistance. We can share different ideas so as to make the present agitation more effective, keeping the social implications in
mind and how as nation and as an individual we can contribute to ease the suffering of our lower income class.
Raman Kaul  - Think before u jump   |59.94.179.xxx |2009-06-07 15:40:47
Hey guys, sensible Indians do not despise Kashmir, nor do sensible kashmiris want to go to Pakistan. They know very well that if
Kashmir would not have been a part of India ,their lands occupied by landlords in 1947 would have been now the property of Punjabi
generals and their tourism industry owned by Punjabi Pakistanis. They would still be tilling lands and engaged in serving their
masters.Today with article 370 guaranteeing their constitutional and land rights, democracy within Indian union ,education and
opportunity for trade and tourism with one billion population of India- I would say to Kashmiris think twice before you go for
these stone pelting tamashas. There is no third option.The only other option is Pakistan who wants to grab you by hook or by
crook.Think of Swat when you want Kashmir to go to Pakistan.
SAGAR  - Sensibility   |218.248.66.xxx |2009-06-16 13:10:01
Dear Raman, Is is hard to understand your definition of "sensible Indians" or "Sensible Kashmiris". If your
argument is to be taken true then 99 percent Kashmiri Muslims are not sensible and you too would have to exclude the indian civel
society and most of your intellectuals including Swaminath Ayer, Veer Sangvi, Arundathi Roy,..... from the definition of
"sensible Indians"
Hazal Mustafa  - kashmir a disputed territory   |59.94.208.xxx |2009-06-08 12:56:33
Dear Raman, you have a point. May be Kashmiris are better off with India than they can be with Pakistan( under present
circumstances, but changing the socio-political environment does\'nt take time if it has to change)But point is not If
Kashmiris want to go to Pakistan. Point is the outright and brazen rejection of their own promises made to the people of kashmir
by Indian Leaders. Was it a deliberate poly of crooked Indian leaders, who thought that that kashmiris will forget the promise.
We had almost brought Indian govt on its knees last year and mind you it can and will be repeated untill India accepts disputed
nature of KASHMIR.
Raman Kaul  - Choosing India   |59.94.178.xxx |2009-06-14 19:43:11
Dear Hazal Mustapha ,
The promise of plebiscite so often highlighted by Pakistan and the leadership of Kashmir from time to time
has only two options -Pakistan and India .I agree with you that a Plebiscite should have settled the matter but it is not only
India to be blamed for Plebecite not taking place.Pakistan\'s reluctance to withdraw from the areas occupied by it and also
signing a traety with USA offering them bases made Kashmir a cold war issue with Russia coming on Indian side . But from the core
of my heart, being a Kashmiri myself I firmly believe that if Kashiris are given an unfettered choice between India and Pakistan
,they will chose India.
Amit  - Friend or Enemy   |59.94.193.xxx |2009-06-09 00:22:19
Dear Hazal Mustafa:
Nothing can be forced in today\'s world, neither can India subdue Kashmiris nor can Kashmir blackmail
India, If Kashmir really wants to live peacefully, All dialogues must be carried out in a friendly atmosphere with friendly
representatives, nobody in India is eager to listen to separatists, and Indians will not let government to bow down in front of
perceived traitors; its all about first impression, yes we are definitely going to support if you are willing to act like a fellow
countryman. Before critisizing a system you need to be a part of the system, otherwise any criticism can be wrongly take as a
hostile act by commoners.
SAGAR  - Force   |218.248.66.xxx |2009-06-16 13:20:41
Mr Amit, No one in kashmir is against Dialogue but Dialogue for what and with whome those whoe represnt us are named as Saperatest
and are put behind the bars and India never accepted Kashmir as a dispute after it gained military power.India only sees Kashmir
as a law and order issue and is using AFSPA PSA POTA TADA and other draconian laws here so Dialogue for what ?
asifbhat  - Change the system, change we need!!!   |59.94.181.xxx |2009-06-10 00:56:59
Well done! Mr. Amit! I can see the difference of opinion and the gap on the mindset between the two opposite people who on other
end of this world live in the heated plains of subcontinent far and far apart from Cool Valley Kashmir. For a Kashmiri who is used
to live in cold weather is hard for him to understand the life of f people who live in constant heat wave, where the skin gets
roasted with constant heat and sweat smells. As you rightly said Kashmiris cannot be bowed down and tamed to thrust upon any
solutions from those who are part of the ongoing problem. For the last 60 years of Indian rule we know and are very well aware of
the system, Nobody knows this system as better as Kashmir itself, our memories are still fresh and alive when we got its first
impression way back in 1947. Having said that, was not is enough when 60% of people voted assembly elections and showed their
faith in this system. Why this system is again and again failing to deliver the justice not only that this so called system could
not lodged a simple FIR, which took more than a week. Change the system and change your attitude. Change we need!!!
Hazal Mustafa  - Irony   |59.94.181.xxx |2009-06-10 00:58:14
Dear Amit, The greatest irony for Kashmir is that your own highly controlled media and your politicians have been misleading
normal indians and you have been fed with absolute wrong notions about kashmiris all in the name of so called sovereginity and
nationalisim.Peaceful movement was being carried out till 1990, and what was offered is known to your politicians who have
repeatedly admitted it-False and bogus promises.Pls get your facts right when you say \'Neither can India Subjugate
kashmiris\" i feel like having pity on you for not knowing how kashmiris are being subjugated and oppressed day in and day
out all in the name of maintaning peace.What will you discuss with those who don\'t accept that Kashmir is a problem and if
you feel that separatists will not be heard then you are yourself not a peace loving citizen.Moreover Fellow country men?
who?Kashmir is an internationally accepted disputed territory and kashmiris cannot be by force asked to take the oath of Indian
sovereginity.The point is India cannot talk with People of kashmir till kashmiris accept Indian rule and Kashmiris cannot talk to
india till India accepts it as disputed territory.We have suffered, we are suffering, we will suffer.But we will achieve what we
deserve. May be not in your lifetime.800 years of foreign rule on india could not deter freedom fighters to give up ,how can you
expect Kashmiris to give in just 2 decades.Seeds have been sown, blood has been given, fruits will be borne.
Rgds
Hazal
Amit  - Free Media   |59.94.180.xxx |2009-06-13 01:19:51
This is perfectly arguable that India media must have had show a little bit more sensibility/sensitivity by reporting and
highlighting this case like they reported violence against Indians in Australia. I really appreciate moderators on this website
who are brave and open-minded to accommodate and publish views of people like me, who find themselves to be on the opposite side
compared to others. I still believe this issue must be tackled as any other law-and-order issue and must not be used as a
political tool by separatists, as it will diminish the sympathy of common people like me for the victims, my belief is that they
suffered this fate because they were working on behalf of some terror organization (I am not justifying the crime).
Hazal Mustafa  - Ramam effect-flawed   |86.96.229.xxx |2009-06-15 23:32:57
Dear Raman
Its a fact that plebiscite is the only solution. And if your argument about people choosing india is known to you and
indian govt. then why this rejection of conducting it.Moreover i have never heard of pakistan rejecting the withdrawl of troops
from AJK.If pakistan rejects it after india agrees to do so you will surely see the uprising againest that.also ur reason that
pakistan provided bases to US as a cause of india's rejection to withdraw troops is flawed. in which year did PAK provide bases
and from which year is india occupying kashmir?its a flawed argument to hide truth.
Raman Koul   |122.169.90.xxx |2009-06-16 00:39:48
Dear Hazal,
Unfortunately politics is not so simple as you and me think .An opportunity once lost is lost for ever .The first
pledge of Plebicite was made to Jinnah by Mountbatten ipersonally n 1947 .He rejected saying that with Sheikh Abdullah around
people would be too scared to vote for Pakistan .The second was the United Nations Resolution under which Pakistan was first
supposed to withdraw from POK so that a plebicite under UN supervision could be held .Pakistan refused thus handing argument back
to India .The third was an offer made by Nehru to Pakistan primimenister Mohammad Ali in 1954.He was ready at that time even for
the loss of valley if the people desired provided Pakistan does not become a NATO Ally and offer bases to USA .As is known to
everybody Nehru was very wary of influence of USA cold war policies in asia .However Pakistan again desisted and rather
immediately signed a pact with USA .Ironically just after this there was a change in the leadership and Mohammad Ali was removed
as Prime Minister of Pakistan .Once Pakistan became a close Ally of USA ,Russia came on the side of India and Kashmir became cold
war issue with Russia supporting India at the UN
Imagine yourself as participating in a unfetterd Plebicite between India and
Pakistan and try making this choice and see how difficult the decision is .
omar shah  - HI   |119.73.3.xxx |2009-06-16 02:34:04
Dear Amit
I was quite shocked and surprised by your comment.On one hand you try to be a kashmiri sympathiser and on the other
hand you are trying to sympathize with india policies here in kashmir.If bhagat singh or subhas bose or for that matter gandhi
would have listened to someone like you then u would be still strugling for ur independence.I am not comparing these people with
anyone here i respect them all for the reason that they were freedom fighters but they are not our idols.We will fight you guyz
out one day.Maybe it takes generations for us to get you people out of here but atleast we go down fighting.Let history stand
witness to the fact that Kashmiris didnt go down without fighting.If you think by cohering with these policies indian security
people are helping india then let me add here that they are helping us.Its the atrocities which are carried out by indian security
men[should we call them even men] which helps uskeeping this thought of freedom alive in our hearts.Atleast india isnt as strong
as the british.Dont forget that even you were slaves some 60 years back.And if you think that the thought of freedom doesnt hold
ground here in kashmir then why doesnt govt of india go for a plebiscite once for all.And why arresting pro freedom leaders like
syed ali geelani,shabir shah ,Masrat Alam, Saleeem Nanaji ,Nayeem Khan,etc or by keeping some of them house arrest like Omar
Farooq.By arresting them in a way the govt is agreeeing that they do have a hold which they are scared of.So dont worry we are not
tried we will keep on fighting till we drain you out inshAllah
Pravin  - kashmiris are too emotional   |129.230.244.xxx |2009-06-16 03:18:18
It seems to me that every small incident is taken up with a lot of emotion and in that process logic & reasoning is lost. Two
women have been murdered, it needs to be investigated & justice needs to be given to the victim's families. Burning buses,
stopping colleges, schools & business is just as shameful & damaging. Do you really think all this 'goonda' culture will go away
if Kashmir achieves self rule? It is question to ponder for the civil society in J&K. Unless there is a rational response things
will never improve. It is one reason why Mahatma Gandhi inspite of all the provocation rejected violence. By condoning violence
just because it is beneficial to your cause is 'playing with fire'. Violent uneducated youth will still remain the same and shall
continue to burn & pillage no matter what the issue. After all, the government is run by locals, it's not some Bengali or Tamilian
ruling the state!!
sagar  - Local Government   |117.254.63.xxx |2009-06-18 21:08:29
How ca you say that we have a local government if the CM needs a permission from New Delhi to register an FIR in the local police
station and when the leader of the opposition in the state assembly goes to the PS to lodge the same she is insted arrested and
what about the hundreds of inquiries in to the thousands of similar cases in the past 20 years do you think there is any reason
for the kashmiries to have faith in the inquiries of the Indian establishment especially those Kashmiris who are the eye witness
of all that is going on since the rigged elections of 1987??????
Amit  - Re: Local Government   |122.161.91.xxx |2009-06-21 14:00:52
If India is your enemy (as you think), you must not expect anything more than what one must expect from an enemy. Kashmir will
enjoy the benefits that an ordinary citizen enjoys, on the day people start to feel being a part of this nation.
Amit  - Plebiscite   |122.163.170.xxx |2009-06-16 09:14:55
Plebiscite was an option during Nehru regime but offer was withdrawn after Pakistan joined CENTO and political/social circle in
both sides of Kashmir was radicalized (both happened simultaneously with USA'a blessings). Also its not about Kashmir its all
about geo-politics and its all about rivers flowing into Pakistan. India will find it very hard to let go this advantage. For all
those calling for plebiscite: Please don't call devil to defeat a wild beast.
syed  - why plebicite?   |195.146.46.xxx |2009-06-17 12:59:29
Is there no other solution to the kashmir issue other than plebicite ? why can't the people be given the right to self rule. why
should the Valley get attached to either this side of the border or that side why not have seperate independant borders of tis
own.
hassan  - plebicite   |87.201.184.xxx |2009-06-18 02:08:10
no plebicite,no self rule
We want azadi.
Amit  - other option   |122.163.170.xxx |2009-06-18 02:25:42
Self-rule is not feasible , nobody wants another afghanistan, not India, not anybody else. I was reading that students have
threatened to boycott classes, wow....thats what I call a sensible/logical way to protest. In fact people in India joke that
Kashmiris like bands and demonstrations because it gives them an opportunity of make another day a holiday. Basis of
Non-cooperation is to hurt the oppressor by denying him economical/tactical advantage. Kashmir will push itself to stone-age by
such acts, and India will keep making new jokes, Kashmir doesn't make India rich like India did to Britain.
asifbhat  - is it too late ????????   |196.35.158.xxx |2009-06-18 16:05:00
As a matter of argument, if self rule or for that matter plebiscite is not possible, so is not its complete merger with India. Yes
New Delhi is ruling Kashmir through its puppets with overt and covert forces. As a well-engineered design, it has successfully
totally militarized the region, working hard to contaminate its Kashmiris Muslim population in to minority. But it has failed to
sell its so-called democracy and recent economic growth to Kashmir. British were clever to sell this land locked country to then
Maharaja, because of it not be ” less economical value “soni ki chidiya” compared to other states of India. The beauty of
the valley couldn’t charm these shrewd British, but the fact was and is that they could gain nothing from Kashmir as its colony.
Why India is messed with Kashmir is not by his will but by various factors of historical follies. Kashmir is burden to each and
every hapless poor of India who have no shelter to stay and no food to live. Who say Kashmir is the integral part of India when
the highest of the might can’t buy an inch of land. UNFORTUNATELY IT IS TOO LATE, OTHERWISE WE CAN RULE THE MIGHT GIVEN THE
SPECIAL STATUS… AND BE THE MASTERS TO THE REST OF INDIANS.
Rohit  - Only Option   |203.27.235.xxx |2009-06-19 18:47:21
While I would agree with the majority kashmiri view that the way India has handled kashmir since 1948 is enough reason for the
kashmiris to demand azaadi , the fact is that kashmiris themselves have not handled themselves with great consistency and
intelligence.
Kashmiris have been fighting for the past so many years for " self-determination" without causing any
worthwhile impact. The way the world situation has evolved they will not cause any further impact either.
India has learnt to
live with the pin prick that is kashmir and will not budge. The world community in any case is wary of such sessionistic
views.
My suggestion to kashmiris is that instead of focussion on such obscure and vague ideas of self determination, azaadim
etc.. they should focus on getting all those things which the so called azaadi will provide them . I am sure if you spell out
exactly how you would like to live in an azaad kashmir, Indian government today will possible try and accomodate the same.If you
keep taliking of azaadi, nobody is going to listen to you and you will only cause trouble to yourself. The rich people leading the
agitaion on behalf of the kashmiris , for them it is a livelihood.. they will benefit from keeping the issue unresolved.. It is
the common poor kashmiri who suffers..both from the actions of the so called leaders as well as the Indian security forces.
hassan  - plebicite   |87.201.184.xxx |2009-06-20 02:20:52
Rohit jee dont give us lecture on what azadi means.

you are not the best of institution on freedom.
your experience is very
poor.
800 years of slavery dose not make you a worthwhile teacher on freedom.

Freedom is not about money only.
It is about honour
& dignity.

It is about being the masters of your destiny.
The difference between you and us is that while you chose to live as
slaves for 800 years we have chosen to fight as freedom fighters for 800 years.
Alok Shukla  - Nonsense!   |59.94.181.xxx |2009-06-25 13:09:57
We have lived as slaves for 800 years! This statement assumes that the muslim rule was a slavery over rest of the population.
Highly despicable. Muslims are as part of this nation as Hindus. Freedom movement only started at the time of British and not
Muslims. Unfortunately this also speaks very weirdly about psyche to cut a divide between Hindus and Muslims. This is the same
acid which was thrown on in 1947. People of India are never going to let that mass destruction happen again. Ever!
Keep on day
dreaming!
Rohit  - Only Option   |203.27.235.xxx |2009-06-29 15:43:05
Dear Hasaan,
The problem with kashmiris is that they are not sure what specifically they want and why?
You are mentioning
freedom and slavery?
Freedom from what and freedom to do what?
Unless kashmiris are clear about the specifics and its
relevance, and do not get over awed by the jingoism of the azaadi chants,they will continue to inflict lot of self damge to
themselves, their reputation and move farther away from achieving what they want.

You are right, everybody has the right to
live with honour and dignity...However think beyond the sloganeering of azaadi!

Otherwise it will take 800 more years for you
to realize your folly.
Himadri Pant  - Rape of Democracy   |213.31.11.xxx |2009-06-21 16:02:51
Dear All,
1. The argument seems to have shifted from delivering justice to the two women who were brutally violated and killed.
Let this be given top priority.
2. There seems to be a unanimous decision that the perpetrators seem to belong to the Army or
Central uniformed forces. This is incorrect to put the blame on them unless there is evidence pointing in that direction.
3. Come
commentators have tried to show the glaring difference between Kashmir and rest of India, such as Kashmir being a cool place away
from sweltering heat of the rest of the country. Let me point out that in our country there are several such places which are as
cool or much colder that the Kashmir valley. The whole dispute about Kashmiri identity is actually communal in nature and arouses
Islamic following of majority of Kashmiris. This is again disputable as India is the world second largest muslim nation after
Indonesia.
Muslims have always formed the Indian aristocracy and even now have produced best of artists, entrepreneurs and
scientists.
4. Historically, before the politico - religious fracture of the subcontinent in 1947, Kashmir has always been a part
of India. If we undergo a DNA test of Kashmiris following Islam and those of who not following, I am sure the results will be all
but same.
5. Apt punishment must be meted to those who perpetrated the heinous crime against whose innocent women and ensure that
human rights prevail.
Travis Coolman  - AZADI   |194.35.186.xxx |2009-06-22 23:26:35
Well I fail to undestand the concept of Azadi and Jehad.Jehad is fought when Islam is in danger.I don't think Islam was in danger
ever in Kashmir 12th century onwards.It has flourished since then.People live a happy life.Poverty is minimal as compared to other
parts of India and Pakistan.Under successive governments resources for other reagions of Jammu and Kashmir were chanelled to
kashmir.Its all ideological struggule.Talk about atrocities of forces that only started when people taked about AZADI.Nothing was
ever wrong
Tanveer Ahmad  - Re: to Mr. Travis   |87.101.176.xxx |2009-06-23 18:06:17
Well Mr Travis, jihad has many meanings and to start with one has to do Jihad with himself. Now as of Kashmir problem, to fight
for exploited homeland is Jihad too.
The fighting in Kashmir was never an ideological; you have missed the basis of J&K problem.
J&K was annexed by both India and Pakistan and portion gifted to China. Please read the History of J&K. You are right Islam
flourished in Kashmir since 12th century and it was and never will be in danger. Problem is Political and geological not
religious. You are right again that the atrocities committed by the Indian forces have no limits or words to describe. Finally,
India used to get almost 27% of foreign revenue from J& since 1947 till 1989 from the Tourism. J&K has vast Jungles which have
been brutally almost finished as the Logs used for Indian railways used to come from J&K Jungles. Besides, Indian Railways being
the back-boon of Indian Economy is not present in J&K whereas its there in tough terrain than J&K in North east of India. There
are NO industries, Roads, Educational/technical institutes except REC & GMC, Worst Health Care, No Electricity for almost SIX
Months while as we have the resources to generate Hydro Electricity and supply to whole of Asia. Indian Central Agency NHPC
generates 2200 MW of Electricity and 1850 MW are generated in J&K Alone but not for people of J&K but its being exported to North
India.
You need to know more? Please…………..
Rohit  - To Tanveer   |203.27.235.xxx |2009-06-29 16:03:38
Dear Tanveer,

Kashmir has always been a drain on Indian resources.

The problem that kashmir has been economically exploited
can never be borne out of any statistical argument...

However the fact that kashmir has never been able to reach a
developmental stage where it should have is true. And one of the reasons has been the troubles of the past 20 years which
coincided with a period of high economic growth rate in India. Unfortunately kashmiris missed out on that boom for their own self
induced reasons
asifbhat  - Do not we deserve to decide our own future?????   |196.35.158.xxx |2009-06-23 17:15:58
Mr. Himadri and Travis are giving contradicting comments. The victims of family never asked authorities for Azadi, they were
seeking justice and local administration failed to even lodge the simple FIR, instead mourners were shelled with tear gas, father
of the victims clothes were torn apart by police. Doctors who did the autopsy were threatened and shut out, all the evidence on
the spot was mishandled. In the first place, the victims did not blame the Army or the paramilitary troops, but it did created
suspicion among the people as to why authorities are trying to hush up the case, which in other words can be solely blamed. As to
why people want AZADI from GOI is self-explanatory. To sum up failure of promised plebiscite, erosion of autonomy, rigging of
election in 1987, ruling by proxy puppets. Imported Governor / Top Police Officials / Bureaucrats /Looting of our natural
resources/Exploitation in providing the govt. job and allocation of funds…AND MOST OF ALL THE DICTATION FROM INDIAN UNION WHICH
KILLS US MOST. Do not we deserve to decide our own future?????
Rohit  - Do we deserve to decide our own future?   |203.27.235.xxx |2009-06-29 15:56:08
Dear Asif,
Every person has the right to decide things for themselves and so do kashmiris.?
Most of the things that you ahve
mentioned are valid reasons for asking for launching an agitation though I dont think not holding a plebescite is one. After
Sheikh Abdullah agreed to join India and the Kashmirs oppossed the tribal invasions, it is reasonable to assume what result the
plebescite would have thrown up. Erosion of autonomy,dilutiing of conditional accession norms and lack of real democracy are the
valid reasons for agitaion.
The claims of looting of natural resources are childish... the problem is that the natural resources
are not utilized to thier full potential in the kashmir..

I feel if Kashmiris ask for restoration of the status quo as existed
in 1951 ..most of the things can be taken care of.

Tell me one thing which cant be taken care of!!
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